They just don't talk like that, she said. They don't think like that.
A guidance counselor for gifted children doesn't believe Card's presentation. When I read this part of the introduction at the beginning of this year, it made me wonder. How can anyone not believe it?
Skip ahead to English class a few months in the future, where Mrs. Colglazier poses a question to the class, "How many of you will admit to liking trashy literature when you were a kid?" Practically everyone raises their hand and starts discussing series: Magic Tree House, Pee Wee Scouts, and so on. Then Mrs. Colglazier continues, "What about Ender's Game?" Immediately I wanted to speak out in the book's defense. Having read Ender's Game only a few months earlier, I had found extremely deep meaning that had not yet been paralleled anywhere.
So what is it that makes people not only not connect with Ender's Game, but hate it? Why is it considered "trashy"? How can so many people be unwilling to accept something that is simply true?
People's views of the world are inherently tied to their experiences. One will often project onto others feelings that he or she has had. The problem, of course, comes when the other has had entirely different experiences. Subtleties are lost, bad inferences are drawn, everything goes haywire. So, to avoid this, many people, I think, just assume that everyone operates exactly as they do and refuse to accept otherwise.
That was deep enough for me to consider Ender's game a meaningful book. But then I realized there's even more.
What made Ender into an Ender? Obviously his genes played a role, but genes alone do not create an Ender. The circumstances must have driven him to grow so strong that nothing could keep him from doing what he had to do. But what circumstances were those? The answer is loneliness. What Ender had going for him was that he didn't have many friends, so he needed to train, needed to improve, needed to show the rest of Battle School that he was the one they should look up at. As Card put it, he needed to become so good at what he does that the rest of the school would have no choice but to notice him. And so he did.
I used to envy the people who went to Haycock and Longfellow because they pretty much have always had friends that were as interested and as talented in math as them. Now I'm not sure envy is the right emotion at all. I had noticed for a long time that the extremely strong math team members at Thomas Jefferson did not come from Longfellow as often as one would think. Instead they come from seemingly random schools. So rather than be envious of the Longfellow students, I wonder if I should be grateful that I went to Frost.
And yet no matter how skilled an individual is, it's nearly impossible to actually accomplish anything without a group of highly skilled friends. Ender simply could not have defeated the Buggers without his crew, no matter how long he trained. At some point, friendships have to be formed, loneliness has to be abandoned, but what is that point?
When I look at our math team, I wonder how many of them would become Enders in another situation. How many of them could rise to be a force to be reckoned with, but don't because they know that they have friends no matter how good or bad they are. And now I wonder, is high school too early? Magnet schools provide great opportunities for very bright students to interact with other very bright students, an experience that I know is extremely useful, but there's something that you lose when you do that. You lose the ability to produce an Ender.
I like that book
ReplyDeleteMaybe MOP is the same (as the magnet school that you mention)
ReplyDeleteIn my case, not knowing anyone smart until MOP 2007 (and then not seeing them again until MOP 2009) probably pushed me to get better-and prevented me from being overawed.
ReplyDeleteAnd by the way, Ender's "game" against the buggers is just xpilot. I AM THE NEXT ENDER MUAHAHAHAHAH :)
Ender's game was awesome!
ReplyDeleteso were ender's shadow, speaker for the dead (not sure if i finished this)
a friend was discussing the whole "literary merit" thing on the AP. We were arguing how if someone can write a good essay about plot/tone/characters to advance a specific point from say Harry Potter...then that should be a good essay and get a 5...the whole thing is arbitrary anyways
is loneliness worth it? Ender wasn't just lonely as a kid. He would always be somewhat set apart from everyone else (even ignoring the fact that he proceeded to live for way longer than a lot of other people)
just looked up some orson scott card quotes...some are actually really interesting
this is quite interesting
ReplyDeleteI always thought the book is considered trashy because of the language and how it's clearly aimed at young adults. As far as its message and its suggestions, it's just as deep as any book I was forced to read in English class.
ReplyDeleteThere is a lot of truth to what you're saying, I think.
Having two finals tomorrow, I really shouldn't be commenting at this point, but oh well......
ReplyDeleteIt is somewhat telling that loneliness and associated unhappiness are correlated so often with extraordinary (in the actual, not watered down sense of the word) performance. It is even more telling that so many of my heroes, both in this series and in other ones, follow the same mold: forced to be brilliant and powerful, yet ultimately unhappy.
I don't think the price is worth paying. Not because I think happiness is worth more than development, but because I reject the choice. Ender Wiggin was a product of the situation he found himself in, but that does not mean that only such a situation will produce an Ender. The same end product can and should be constructed by choice. I think, at the end of the day, that this is in fact what happens: the world has not seen anyone as extremely proficient as Ender is portrayed to be, but the closest I have seen in my time were fairly evenly distributed. In particular, I don't think experiencing a cultural of mutual interest actually stopped anyone from plowing ahead.
Ender's Game is a very good book (and one I've been meaning to reread for a while), but it is deceptively so. Its language, plot (cosmetically, at least), and general feel all very much suggest that it is aimed at adolescents, perhaps a notch up from Artemis Fowl or something. And that, combined with the fact that its message is one of misunderstood talent, etc., means that it resonates especially with talented, overlooked teenagers --- similar to how Ayn Rand enjoys huge popularity in that demographic. This results in people retrospectively realizing that they were kind of silly at that age and deciding the book is bad.
ReplyDeleteOf course, it's not fair to the book, but that's how it often happens. Just go on any comment thread on http://yro.slashdot.org (or basically all of Slashdot) and you'll find some of the most astounding misinterpretations of Orwell the Internet has to offer. I think my favorite was when someone claimed that Nineteen Eighty-Four was a giant allegory about the evils of Big Government, despite the fact that Orwell was a socialist.
At this point both Arvind and my brother are bugging me nonstop to read this book, so I am going to do that this summer and then reread this blog post with some context.
ReplyDelete@Arvind: I never knew pro stood for proficient.
Regarding the "lonely genius" issue:
ReplyDeleteI noticed that you and Arvind both mentioned fictional characters for the most part. In reality, does being lonely motivate a smart person to succeed? In some cases, yes, but I think that in general, even very intelligent elementary school and middle school students would care a lot about fitting in and may be distracted by their peers' lack of interest in intellectual matters. And by the time they're in high school, they may realize that they would have better spent their time learning.
But if you place the same student in an environment where everybody is competing to be the best at math (or some other subject), they might be more motivated to rise to the top. For example, if you attended a middle school full of future MOP-ers, wouldn't that be awesome? (i'm assuming that the person reading this likes math)
Concerning the whole Longfellow issue: LONGFELLOW AND HAYCOCK ARE AWESOME OKAY WE'RE DONE
Actually, I think that haycock-longfellow students, in general, go through a series of intellectual "fads". First it's chess, up until 6th grade. Then it's math and mathcounts during middle school, then it's scientific research while at TJ. Not very many Haycock students actually go on to play chess competitively in middle school and beyond; not very many Longfellow students actually end up being that interested in math after they leave Mr. William's classroom, and not that many TJ students actually really like science that much by the end of their senior year. =P
There are a few reasons that this whole "fad" thing happens: 1) Haycock-Longfellow-TJ students are taught by a succession of teachers that are able to motivate the students and inspire them to pursue Chess/Math/Science. 2) Haycock-Longfellow-TJ students are, in general, intelligent enough to benefit wildly from their good teachers and smart peers. 3) Haycock students know older Haycock students who have taken a certain path, and they emulate those older students.
I think on average, though, Haycock and Longfellow do produce slightly more awesome math people than an average Fairfax County School, and this may simply be because of demographics and good teachers.
Brian, you should know better than anyone that just because some statement was true from one case, the statement does not necessarily hold for every case... especially if that one case is fictional.
ReplyDeleteIf just being lonely and being the best among your peers produced a genius, we should have genii popping out everywhere. Obviously, this is not true. Also, I agree with Arvind that only those in a situation similar to Ender's will become an "Ender."
I've enjoyed Ender's Game in middle school as well, but looking back, I can see that it is not as meaningful as I first perceived it to be. There are some books that both an elementary student and adults can read and enjoy. One of those books I still love is Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Every time I read that book, I interpret it differently and learn something about myself and the world.
About Haycock/Longfellow thing... I've attended Longfellow but never attended Haycock. Until 4th grade, I was in a small elementary school in Daegu, a lesser-known city in South Korea (I still speak a Korean dialect). In 5th grade, I was in Toronto, Canada. In 6th grade, I was in Spring Hill Elementary School, which has neither GT nor French Immersion program.
In 9th grade, I was in Choate Rosemary Hall, where I was one of only two people who qualified for USAMO. The other student was a junior (or a senior? I am not sure), and I still had a higher index. In a way, I was an "Ender" in that school. While most students went to dances and enjoyed their weekends, I was in my dorm doing AIME problems by myself because there was no one I could study together with. This was a part of the reason why I decided to come back to Virginia and attend TJ.
Ugh... I am ranting. Anyway, what I am trying to say is I feel that I could have benefited more from learning from older students (like you, Brian) and striving to become like them. You should not generalize an assumption just by looking at yourself.
Sin, I was going to say how I wasn't arguing that it applies to every case, but I actually don't believe you've brought up any counterexamples.
ReplyDeleteYou say yourself that you were an Ender at Choate Rosemary Hall. Now, the reason that you aren't as globally ahead of everyone else as Ender was is because Choat Rosemary Hall is not an especially gifted school (or at least I will assume so based on how you have described it). Ender had the advantage of being socially isolated at what was essentially a global magnet school, so when he became the Ender of the school, he wasn't just better than everyone at the school, he was better than everyone everywhere.
Now that's where my argument lies. It's essentially impossible to mass produce Enders. Longfellow churns out many good, but not extraordinarily so, math team people. These people are joined by strong friendships before they even enter high school. Now look at the other schools. There is less of a mathematical community, so the math people there tend to be more socially isolated. The next condition for creating an Ender is trickier. While the student body doesn't have to have a large number of people who enjoy math, it has to have people who respect it. Dan claims that Rachel Carson didn't satisfy this condition, but I can tell you that Frost definitely did.
So then you have this second best middle school where somebody is socially isolated. Similar to Ender, they start working on what they do (in this case we'll say it's math), in order to surpass everyone else in the school by so much that it's impossible to ignore and they can earn respect. The difference between this person and you is that they are at a second best school, so being better than everyone else at their school by that much also probably means that they are better than everybody at the top school.
I am by no means saying that generating Enders is easy. As I said, it's impossible to mass produce them. The most you'll ever get, usually, is one per graduation cycle (I would expect no more than 1 every 2 years for a middle school, and no more than 1 every 4 years for a high school). And even then this will almost never happen, because, as you said, it relies on characteristics of the person too.
I also am not saying that going to these second best schools is even a good plan. The chance that one turns out to be an Ender is minuscule, and on average I would agree that Longfellow students perform better than students at other schools.
But I still hold that Longfellow simply does not produce Enders. They produce good people, and their advancement depends more on their philosophy of learning than their devotion.
LMAO MY COMMENT IS TOO LONG TO BE POSTED IN ONE. Time to split it up into two...
ReplyDeleteI still have yet to read Ender's Game. I should get to that sometime.
I want to comment on the comments first:
Arvind: "In particular, I don't think experiencing a cultural of mutual interest actually stopped anyone from plowing ahead."
I agree with that. I think that sometimes, being in an environment of mutual interest is what makes someone plow ahead because of help from peers and competition.
Luke: "In some cases, yes, but I think that in general, even very intelligent elementary school and middle school students would care a lot about fitting in and may be distracted by their peers' lack of interest in intellectual matters."
While there are some who are able to ignore what classmates think of them, most are not able to. I am pretty much speaking from personal experience here too, but I've noticed this in a lot of people. The majority of the people are not like Ender (I don't actually know who he is ,but I'm guessing from what you wrote in your post), but instead of wanting to do extremely well in something, they instead try to fit in with the general public.
Luke: "But if you place the same student in an environment where everybody is competing to be the best at math (or some other subject), they might be more motivated to rise to the top. For example, if you attended a middle school full of future MOP-ers, wouldn't that be awesome? (i'm assuming that the person reading this likes math)" Yeah. Again, personally, being in math team has helped me so much not just to compete with each other in math, but in everything else too just because some of the people in math team, or so than those not in math team, are competitive and succeed in other fields too. And Luke, yeah that would be sooo awesome, but I would also be pretty intimidated. But then I'd probably also be much better at math now, and much much better at proofs because I wouldn't want to be worse than everyone else. So I think that for most people, being in an environment that I'm guessing Ender was in, their excitement and potential would be stifled by everyone else and instead of wanting to be better, they would feel left out and lonely, and either they will try to fit in with the crowd, or will go through a positive feedback and become emo.
Luke: "Concerning the whole Longfellow issue: LONGFELLOW AND HAYCOCK ARE AWESOME OKAY WE'RE DONE" Heh. I reall wish I went to Haycock and Longfellow and had peers who also liked math instead of moving to the middle of nowhere where everyone absolutely hated math.
Luke: "First it's chess, up until 6th grade. ". I don't even know the rules of chess. No one in my middle school and elementary school played chess. Goddammit.
Luke: "and this may simply be because of demographics and good teachers." I disagree. Since you have been brought up in an environment where intellectual and scientific pursuits are encouraged, you might not realize just how important the environment you live in can be. I guess this goes into the nurture vs. nature thing we did in psychology, and by did I mean the teacher got us to read some random article on it and write a page of notes, but I still like citing things I learn in random classes. But yeah, while you need "brains", the nurture you get is still extremely important, and it's definitely not just the support from your parents, just as important, if not more so, is the support you get from your peers especially in the teenager age. This is like stage 4 and 5 in the Erikson Psychosocial Theory. Most people need support from their peers and elders (not many have the will, persistence, and maturity to pursue something with absolutely no support), and that support generates a sense of security.
Lol @ Sin's first paragraph.
ReplyDeleteSo yes, while some people would be like Ender and pursue something by themselves, most wouldn't be. More people thrive under competition with peers who have similar interests. If you were put in a world where everyone did A, it is very unlikely that you will want to be the only person to do B.
Darn so I've never read Ender's Game so maybe my comments right now are completely stupid. Oh, and Sin, I also have to read the little prince. Ahhhh, another book to add onto my reading list which I thought up in my mind a year ago and haven't even started to read yet. ;alkdhg;akdsfa.
Oh lol just read Brian's last comment. Ender came from a magnet school? Didn't know that. Oops. Ffuuuu I need to read the book.
Oh oops I definitely should've read Brian's last comment before commenting..."While the student body doesn't have to have a large number of people who enjoy math, it has to have people who respect it. Dan claims that Rachel Carson didn't satisfy this condition, but I can tell you that Frost definitely did." Yeah, I guess that would do it, if the society respects it even if they don't enjoy it. Unlike most middle schools and high schools out there where people detest math, but maybe I'm just speaking for my middle school.
And I can't actually comment on Brian's post, because I have no idea what Enders are. Ahahahaha. I just felt like commenting on those comments because they reminded me of other things and such. But yeah, I think I should go read that book before I agree or disagree with the post...Hmm.
And wow this comment is so long...I should write a blogpost on some things that I went through in my comment.